For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. (Job 19:25-27)
Throughout this whole chapter Job is pointing out to his friends that his troubles are coming from God — and not because he deserved them. And he didn’t. God had already pronounced him a perfect and upright man that feared Him and eschewed evil. As I read, I couldn’t help seeing how terrible Job’s life had become. You would think that he had severe depression and despair, but then you read these verses and you see his faith. Faith sees God in every circumstance. It may not know what God is doing or why, but it sees Him and trusts that He knows best and is doing best.
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You Think Too Much! 
Amen! Good post.
We don’t need explanation; we need revelation. Eternal security in the OT.
Faith sees God in every circumstance. It may not know what God is doing or why, but it sees Him and trusts that He knows best and is doing best.”
Maybe I am ignorant on the subject. I realize that nothing happens without God’s knowledge, but how is an abused child suppose to see God in the circumstance? Where does faith come in, that you should be thankful that your not dead. How can you explain to a 2 or 3 year old child that belt marks across the face, or the broken extermity you have has God in it?
Sorry this is close to my heart since I deal with this alot.
Faith comes in when you can say to the child, “All things work together for good…” When you can say, God know about this and he cares about you.
Faith doesn’t explain, faith believes.
It sounds hard, and I’m sure it’s easy for me to say it here with good health. It will really be faith when I have to practice it like Job did.
Since I am big fan of Joel Olsteen and other mega-church preachers,(cough, cough) why don’t they preach on this. To them Job never existed. Believe in yourself and think positive and only good things happen. Job, a man among boys, even in today’s Christianity. If you can call those type of preachers Christian.
First it is said faith sees God in every circumstance then it is said faith believes. Which is it?
I am not negating that faith is believing, I am wondering how faith sees God in every circumstance? Is it Gods doing that a child is abused, is that what I am supposed to be seeing? Seriously, I guess I don’t understand…
I understand all that is being said, except for How do you see God in it? I realize because of sin, bad things happen, I just see how we are to see God in sin?
If I might help, Cathy, Job, the book, provides a good understanding of this. The will of God is used in two ways in Scripture—His sovereign and His moral will. His sovereign will always occurs either because He causes it or allows it. His moral will depends on man’s obedience. God allows children to suffer and die, and sometimes He causes it. Remember David’s child in 2 Samuel 12? We go through physical suffering because we live in a sin-cursed world. That can and should draw us closer to God. When a child suffers, God allows that for His glory, in part, to show how horrible sin is. We can be reminded that in the kingdom of God, Christ will eradicate disease like He did in Galilee briefly during his life’s ministry. Remember why Jesus wept? He suffered with Mary and Martha over the death of Lazarus in Jn. 11.
I realize the results of sin is the cause of the trials & abuse, what I can’t see is how God is in the sin of it?
Am I making myself clear?
I am intrigued by it because I am often told I don’t have enough faith.
Well I apparently either did not make myself clear, or no one can explain how God can be in any part of sin?
God is God and because He is so, He can do whatever He wants. He can be in any part of sin if He wants to. Man is not to put God in the examination chair and make Him explain Himself. We are to believe (have faith) that He is good and He is right.
Many things cannot be explained; we believe them by faith.
This may clear or confuse my last comment:
God cannot sin. But God is not surprised by anything. He knows all and foreknows all. And all things work together for good to them…
We sometimes attribute evil (or bad things) to God. God uses evil; and His use thereof is not sin. When we believe that, that is faith.
God uses evil, or He allows evil. two different things.
It did clear up alittle, not much
Yes to different things and I think both are true. I lean toward God using evil more often than allowing it. To me, this fits better with his sovereignty.
Now truthfully was it all that difficult to explain it to me?
Bet your glad you never had me as a student :o)